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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 21:40:35 | 显示全部楼层
哇  白大来了,我想仔细的 品位,在继续看你的博客,里面一些 科普类型的文章  基音  范音 。。。。

不敢轻易的下结论, 慢慢的 体会 ,慢慢的总结一些, 不成熟的,看的不够深入的地方请指教, 小白的博客成为了我的 营养补充站了, 有意思。

我会慢慢的继续写这个帖子的,也许会是 1个月,也许会是半年。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 21:58:05 | 显示全部楼层
找到 那张神秘碟片的资料了, 很开心 85年的,看样子是张好碟
http://www.jsbach.org/archivproduktion.html
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 21:59:08 | 显示全部楼层
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Mass in B minor
Main Performer
or Conductor: John Eliot Gardiner
Accompaniment/Orchestra: English Barogue Soloists & Monteverdi Choir
Soloists: Nancy Argenta, soprano
Lynn Dawson, soprano
Patrizia Kwella, soprano
Michael Chance, countertenor
Stephen Varcoe, bass
Instrumentation: Choir
Orchestra
Individual Works: Mass in B minor, BWV 232
Format: Unspecified
Record Label: Archiv Produktion
Catalog Number: 415 514-2
Year Released/Recorded: 1985
Comments: David Irving:
Gardiner's account of the B minor Mass can on all counts be recommended as just listening to the breathtaking grandeur of the performance dispells any quarrels over his interpretation. Although one may quibble at the use of adult male altos rather than boys (as in Parrott's recording) or women, or at the large number of singers in the Choir, this recording should be recommended alongside the Parrott account (on Virgin Veritas) as a companion.

The choice of soloists is, as is usual with Gardiner, totally in keeping to the style of the work and although one might have expected a more crisp and concise tone of voice from Stephen Varcoe, the bass (as we hear from David Thomas in Parrott's recording), the soloists are all outstanding. Michael Chance especially excels his performance; many will agree that the mysterious tone of voice that only a countertenor can achieve is more suited to the sanctity of the mass than a boy alto - especially in the Agnus Dei. Of course we still must remember that Bach would have used boys in Leipzig, as is advocated by Andrew Parrott.

The arias in this recording are probably what sets it above any other. Nancy Argenta, Michael Chance Wynford Evans, Richard Lloyd Morgan and Stephen Varcoe all treat their respective arias in accordance with the spiritual message behind the text. Argenta especially evokes a feeling of "We praise Thee; we bless Thee" etc. in her beautiful aria "Laudamus te". The interplay with the violin (Elizabeth Wilcock) is executed superbly. Again on the first CD when we hear Michael Chance and Stephen Varcoe they seem to really convey to the listener Bach's deep spiritual devotion, especially the attacca chorus "Cum Sancto Spiritu" (after Varcoe's "Quoniam tu solus sanctus") which Gardiner takes at a champion speed.

On the second CD, the bass aria "Et in Spiritum Sanctum" in the more meditative "Credo" section of the Mass, Richard Lloyd Morgan imitates the phrasing of the two oboes d'amore and the result is most satisfying. Again in the tenor aria "Benedictus, qui venit" the Wynford Evans and Lisa Beznosiuk's flute playing make a charming and "blessed" combination. Michael Chance brings the Mass to a beautiful end with his superb singing of "Agnus Dei". His sustenance of tone and his purity of voice are what carries along this reflective (and rather slow) movement.

The only thing that seems to detract from the choruses in the mass is the conflicting vibrato s between the individual singers of the Monteverdi Choir. Take the first Chorus of the "Credo in unum Deum", for example. The very first phrase (from the tenor line) is quite "wobbly" with all the different speeds and styles of vibrato that emanate from this section of the choir. Even though there is nothing wrong with this interpretation, it creates quite a contrast to Parrott, who uses one tenor (Rogers Covey-Crump) with no vibrato! Clearly it is a matter of personal taste and choice.

For its orderly conciseness the Mass in B minor has to be the epitome of 18th century choral writing (when we consider it away from the two Passions, of course!). It is obvious that Bach at the height of his powers - the B minor Mass being a very pertinent example - held the world of western music in his hands. And he still does. As was felt by the audience in Hamburg who heard C. P. E. Bach direct a performance from the "Credo", this is the type of music that had "never been heard before, and will probably never be again". Let us hope that the Mass in B minor will survive as one of the greatest - if not the greatest - work ever written.

Acknowledgements: Thank you to the following for submitting this recording and for your comments:
Brad Leissa
David Irving

Date First Submitted: 07/24/1997
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Archiv Produktion    这个 好像是很有来头的 dd
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http://www.jsbach.org/index.html

  晕死 是不是找到 巴哈的 发烧碟的 资料整理网页了, 荣幸
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 22:13:20 | 显示全部楼层
有意思 发觉到这个 做宗教音乐很有一套的老头, 的确是牛, 这碟听着我想入基督教。

约翰 艾略特 加迪纳(John Eliot Gardiner)

Sir John Eliot Gardiner, acknowledged as a key figure in the early music revival, has consistently gone against the prevailing orthodoxy through his particular combination of scholarship and inspired musicianship. He is the founder and artistic director of the Monteverdi Choir, the English Baroque Soloists and the Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique. Gardiner appears regularly as guest conductor with the Vienna Philharmonic and the London Symphony Orchestra. He was principal conductor of the NDR Sinfonieorchester in Hamburg for four years, and music director of the Opera de Lyon, whose orchestra he founded, from 1982 until 1988


再次的向这个老头致敬, 也向巴哈致敬, 感化我的灵魂阿,玩器材 听音乐 到这个地步,我很知足, 愉悦,灵魂的愉悦。。。。。

  这是无价的。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 22:23:07 | 显示全部楼层
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这才好玩了,挖到 这张专辑的 底细了, 85年到09年,我是2000年前后买到的这碟片, 对我是 快10年的悬案。 有趣


作曲:Johann Sebastian Bach
指挥:Sir John Eliot Gardiner
演唱:Nancy Argenta, Lynne Dawson , Jane Fairfield, Carol Hall, Michael Chance, Wynford Evans, et al.
演奏:The English Baroque Soloists
合唱团:The Monteverdi Choir
录音:London, All Saints’ Church, Tooting, 02/1985
CD编号:DG Archiv 415 514-2
资源出处:from eMule

专辑介绍:

J.S.巴赫的《b小调弥撒》(BWV 232)无论在设计、规模及表现上,比起其他作曲家的作品都来得崇高。它也是巴赫音乐中,为理想而非实用目的而创作的例子之一。因此它代表巴赫试图以一部完美的典范作品来总结弥撒曲的传统,并留给后代诠释圣乐本质的最佳范例。

此曲是巴赫在莱比锡的长期居留时所写的,创作时间很长,直到巴赫垂暮之年才整理成完整的一部弥撒曲。最早完成的是1724年谱成的《圣哉经》,而《垂怜经》与《荣耀经》则取自巴赫献给德累斯顿的萨克森选侯的一首弥撒曲。最后主要追加部分是弥撒的《信经》,是全曲拱门形结构的基石,其本身就是极为对称的拱形结构,于1748-1749年完成。巴赫一生中未曾听过此曲的完整演奏。尽管此曲各乐章的风格多样,包括一些刻意为之的古乐成份,《b小调弥撒》仍超越了其来源的不一致。在和声结构与整体规划有强有力的一致性,更可感受到乐音中,一股动人心魄的美感。

此曲遵循那不勒斯清唱剧式的弥撒曲模式,像歌剧般分成合唱与独唱两部分,共27首曲子。全曲的支柱是9部大型的D大调赞美合唱,加上颂扬的小号及鼓声伴奏。巴赫以合唱、咏叹调及二重唱搭配,有的还伴以乐器独奏。值得注意的是,在结构上《b小调弥撒》既不偏向标准天主教礼拜仪式,也不倾向路德教派,正如乐评家盖林格指出,此作反映出“整个基督教世界团结一致的心态”。

巴赫整部弥撒曲中的风格与处理方式的对比,与作品背后的一致性表现手法一样杰出。以第二部《垂怜经》为例,他回归到十六世纪尼德兰的复调音乐,但在八声部《和撒那,赞美最崇高的主》(Osanna in excelsis)所用的模式,却是十七世纪初期威尼斯“双唱诗班”风格。在谱《我信奉唯一的神》(Credo inunum Deum)与《悔罪经》(Confiteor)的合唱部分时,则运用类似经文歌的“固定旋律”(cantus firmus)技巧。平静的《请赐我们平安》(Dona nobis pacem)则以祥和的全音阶和声谱成,而以不和谐音与强烈半音阶和弦来表达耶稣被钉死的痛苦。

《耶稣上十字架》安排在《信经》及弥撒曲的最中间,就像耶稣受难是整个基督教信仰的中心一样。它的夏康风格低音旋律线,在乐谱上明显地标出十三处十字记号,从低音E到高音E,再半音半音地降到B音。虽然这深刻的哀悼部分是弥撒曲的重心,接踵而来的却是“复活”合唱的喜悦热闹乐音,在这部分演唱者常常听起来象因狂喜而大笑,代表了弥撒曲精神的最高潮,也是巴赫音乐生涯登峰造极的具体表现。

J.E.加迪纳爵士的诠释具备所有杰出古乐器演奏的优点——流畅、纯净、色彩,又忠于巴赫原作理念,呈现出此曲的庄严与份量,结合现代与传统的优点。蒙泰威尔第唱诗班色出的合唱,每声部有四到五人,从各声部所挑选出的独唱者都有柔和的声音,能与其他声部相融合,也能从合唱乐声中脱颖而出。特别是道森(Lynne Dawson)与霍尔(Carol Hall)在《基督垂怜》(Christe eleison)部分的二重唱,令人激赏。1985年的录音宽广、清晰、空间感极佳。
—— 选自Ted Libbey的《古典CD鉴赏》;陈素宜/译

蒙泰威尔第唱诗班 / 英国巴洛克独奏家乐团 / 约翰·艾略特·加迪纳阁下



Emule资源,感谢原发人的无私分享!


专辑曲目:

Disc: 1
01. Kyrie: Chorus: Lord, Have Mercy On Us.
02. Kyrie: Duet (Soprano - Mezzo-Soprano): Christ, Have Mercy On Us.
03. Kyrie: Chorus: Lord, Have Mercy On Us.
04. Gloria: Chorus: Glory Be To God On High.
05. Gloria: Chorus: And On Earth Peace To Men Of Good Will.
06. Gloria: Aria (Soprano): We Praise Thee; We Bless Thee; We Adore Thee; We Glorify Thee.
07. Gloria: Chorus: We Give Thee Thanks For Thy Great Glory.
08. Gloria: Duet (Soprano - Tenor): Lord God, Heavenly King, God The Almighty Father. O Lord, The Only-Beg...
09. Gloria: Chorus: Thou Who Takest Away The Sins Of The World, Have Mercy Upon Us. Thou Who Takest…
10. Gloria: Aria (Alto): Thou Who Sittest At The Right Hand Of The Father, Have Mercy Upon Us.
11. Gloria: Aria (Bass): For Thou Alone Art The Holy One. Thou Alone Art The Lord. Thou, Jesus Christ, Alone…
12. Gloria: Chorus: With The Holy Ghost In The Glory Of God The Father. Amen.

Disc: 2
01. Credo: Chorus: I Believe In One God.
02. Credo: Chorus: I Believe In One God, The Father Almighty...
03. Credo: Duet (Soprano - Mezzo-Soprano): All In One Lord Jesus Christ...
04. Credo: Chorus: And Was Incarnate By The Holy Ghost Of The Virgin Mary And Was Made Man.
05. Credo: Chorus: And Was Crucified Also For Us Under Pontius Pilate...
06. Credo: Chorus: And The Third Day He Rose Again According To The Scriptures...
07. Credo: Aria (Bass): And I Believe In The Holy Ghost...
08. Credo: Chorus: I Acknowledge One Baptism For The Remission Of Sins.
09. Credo: Chorus: And I Look For The Ressurection Of The Dead...
10. Sanctus: Chorus: Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God Of Hosts...
11. Sanctus: Chorus: Hosanna In The Highest.
12. Sanctus: Aria (Tenor): Blessed Be He That Cometh In The Name Of The Lord.
13. Sanctus: Chorus (da capo): Hosanna In The Highest.
14. Agnus Dei: Aria (Alto): Lamb Of God...
15. Agnus Dei: Chorus: Grant Us Peace.

奇怪的是我的是个 单碟, 残缺的孤本? :)
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 22:31:51 | 显示全部楼层
“J.E.加迪纳爵士的诠释具备所有杰出古乐器演奏的优点——流畅、纯净、色彩,又忠于巴赫原作理念,呈现出此曲的庄严与份量,结合现代与传统的优点。蒙泰威尔第唱诗班色出的合唱,每声部有四到五人,从各声部所挑选出的独唱者都有柔和的声音,能与其他声部相融合,也能从合唱乐声中脱颖而出。特别是道森(Lynne Dawson)与霍尔(Carol Hall)在《基督垂怜》(Christe eleison)部分的二重唱,令人激赏。1985年的录音宽广、清晰、空间感极佳。”


     我的耳朵 神了。。。     我的碟片是第2张, 我听的 对比 把玩品味的是 第1轨 和第3轨 Disc: 2
01. Credo: Chorus: I Believe In One God.
02. Credo: Chorus: I Believe In One God, The Father Almighty...
03. Credo: Duet (Soprano - Mezzo-Soprano): All In One Lord Jesus Christ...


结合看我前面写的细节,有意思 ,有意思 。。。。。 这样玩, 有趣

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-20 22:41:06 | 显示全部楼层
大耳机有 650 老600  601 老880,现在正在用880听这张 最喜欢的第3轨。 是不是也要写个  650  880 601的把玩。

   喇叭 是 kef 的书架,tannoy的书架,和 tannoy的大落地, 是不是也要再把玩一下 。。。。。


  时间阿 时间 。。。。 不用上班 就好了。。。。。  这碟 让我着迷
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发表于 2009-12-20 22:52:33 | 显示全部楼层
新帖子,楼主辛苦呀。

上次试听EX700,印象极为深刻。

EX700的技术功底很深厚,超高灵敏度以及非常舒适的佩戴,说明厂家下了功夫。

但校音思路让人无法接受——衔接很被动,没音乐感,播放声音而不是音乐。后来的PFR-V1也有类似特征,播放雨果姑苏行时,笛子有刺耳的失真,有发劈感。

设计师好像秉承这样一个思路:任何信息都呈现出来了就是好声音——好像不是从“听音乐”角度调整声音,而是用仪器来“检测”声音。

这种声音不适合我,我宁愿选择50块钱灵敏度低得变态的KOSS P4。
“子非鱼,安知鱼之乐?”
“子非我,安知我不知鱼之乐?”
“我非子,固不知子矣;子固非鱼也,子之不知鱼之乐,全矣。”
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EX700的声音设计更适合纯音乐,而不是人声,更不是流行歌曲的人声. SONY的产品,凡是认真设计,注入SONY设计理念的,基本都是比较清淡,清冷的声音. 这是它的声音审美取向.
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写的很好很用心!感谢感谢!!希望能早日看到你的总评。。
偶的偶像可是小猪呀!!
有个学校男女厕所相临,一女生上厕所忘带了纸。这时,隔壁传来两张照片,女生吓得花容失色,低声问:谁?一个男声回答:小猪!
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楼主辛苦了~~~~写了这么多~~~还有这么多图~~
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这DISMAN我有 记得是小学的时候别人送给我的  到现在还能用 ~!
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不错,不过我觉得听古典,ER4B如果前端不好,反而听感不怎么理想。加分吧。辛苦楼主的分享。我近年来也渐渐迷上古典音乐了。流行乐真的听腻了。
人生就如一场映画,什么时候出场,什么时候离去,命运似乎早已经有安排。我不知道我是否是一个合格的演员,但我只希望,我的女主角能够陪伴着我,完成这套映画中属于我们的戏份。

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