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原帖由 pcear 于 2010-9-7 22:34 发表
jazz也并非都是热情的,还有很多慵懒、随意、黯淡的jazz,如果喜欢这样的曲目,过于热情的耳机也不合适。





黯淡的JAZZ,我想不起有什么代表作,慵懒、随意的JAZZ,仍是暖色调的器材表现得好。我前面也没有用到“热情”两个字,我的意见是,器材声音宜外向、鲜活、温暖、有节奏活力。

总体来说内在含蓄的、冷色调的器材是难以让JAZZ迷们认可的。

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JAZZ需要的是反差大,色彩鲜明,对比强,节奏感好,帅气,明亮的音色

K701放JAZZ也算不错的,不过它的个性温和,反差并不大,有时用它听JAZZ会感觉不够帅气,当然如果听偏抒情的就合适了,听BEPOP就感觉神径质的不够
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原帖由 熄火 于 2010-9-7 22:39 发表


02年出A250时 接手的不会是你吧


汗,早忘了接手谁的了,不过02年?估计不是你,我收A250没那么早吧
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原帖由 小白 于 2010-9-7 22:38 发表 黯淡的JAZZ,我想不起有什么代表作,慵懒、随意的JAZZ,仍是暖色调的器材表现得好。我前面也没有用到“热情”两个字,我的意见是,器材声音宜外向、鲜活、温暖、有节奏活力。总体来说内在含蓄的、冷色 ...
总体同意。也许黯淡用词不贴切,可以听听chet baker、billie holiday一些曲子,我感觉蛮黯淡或者说黯然的。另外bill evans的一些曲目,也不怎么外向。总体来说,jazz是从酒吧、自娱自乐发展而来,外向、鲜活是没有错的。
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原帖由 pcear 于 2010-9-7 22:45 发表
总体同意。也许黯淡用词不贴切,可以听听chet baker、billie holiday一些曲子,我感觉蛮黯淡或者说黯然的。另外bill evans的一些曲目,也不怎么外向。总体来说,jazz是从酒吧、自娱自乐发展而来,外向、鲜活是没有错 ...


chet baker根本就是颓废啊,
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小白写的很好
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Bebop是现代爵士乐的一个关键发展阶段,萌芽于20世纪四十年代,成型于五十年代,成熟于六十年代。

这个表述不太严密,bebop在50年代初发展成COOL JAZZ和HARDBOP,其中HARDBOP在BLUE NOTE的推波助澜下蔚为大观,现在我们大家熟悉的大师如Cannonball Adderley, Sonny Stitt, Donald Byrd, Sonny Clark, Lou Donaldson, Kenny Drew, Benny Golson, Dexter Gordon, Joe Henderson, Andrew Hill, Freddie Hubbard, Jackie McLean, Charles Mingus, Blue Mitchell, Hank Mobley, Johnny Griffin,  Lee Morgan, and Sonny Rollins应归入HARDBOP范畴,大家可以参看WIKIPEDIA关于JAZZ的条目:

Bebop

In the early 1940s bebop performers helped to shift jazz from danceable popular music towards a more challenging "musician's music." Differing greatly from swing, early bebop divorced itself from dance music, establishing itself more as an art form but lessening its potential popular and commercial value. Since bebop was meant to be listened to, not danced to, it used faster tempos. Beboppers introduced new forms of chromaticism and dissonance into jazz; the dissonant tritone (or "flatted fifth") interval became the "most important interval of bebop"[48] and players engaged in a more abstracted form of chord-based improvisation which used "passing" chords, substitute chords, and altered chords. The style of drumming shifted as well to a more elusive and explosive style, in which the ride cymbal was used to keep time, while the snare and bass drum were used for accents.


Thelonious Monk at Expo 67, 1967, Montreal, Quebec. Bassist Larry Gales seen in background.These divergences from the jazz mainstream of the time initially met with a divided, sometimes hostile response among fans and fellow musicians, especially established swing players, who bristled at the new harmonic sounds. To hostile critics, bebop seemed to be filled with "racing, nervous phrases".[49] Despite the initial friction, by the 1950s bebop had become an accepted part of the jazz vocabulary. The most influential bebop musicians included saxophonist Charlie Parker, pianists Bud Powell and Thelonious Monk, trumpeters Dizzy Gillespie and Clifford Brown, and drummer Max Roach.

Cool jazz

By the end of the 1940s, the nervous energy and tension of bebop was replaced with a tendency towards calm and smoothness, with the sounds of cool jazz, which favoured long, linear melodic lines. It emerged in New York City, as a result of the mixture of the styles of predominantly white jazz musicians and black bebop musicians, and it dominated jazz in the first half of the 1950s. The starting point were a series of singles on Capitol Records in 1949 and 1950 of a nonet led by trumpeter Miles Davis, collected and released first on a ten-inch and later a twelve-inch as the Birth of the Cool. Cool jazz recordings by Chet Baker, Dave Brubeck, Bill Evans, Gil Evans, Stan Getz and the Modern Jazz Quartet usually have a "lighter" sound which avoided the aggressive tempos and harmonic abstraction of bebop. Cool jazz later became strongly identified with the West Coast jazz scene, but also had a particular resonance in Europe, especially Scandinavia, with emergence of such major figures as baritone saxophonist Lars Gullin and pianist Bengt Hallberg. The theoretical underpinnings of cool jazz were set out by the blind Chicago pianist Lennie Tristano, and its influence stretches into such later developments as Bossa nova, modal jazz, and even free jazz. See also the list of cool jazz and West Coast musicians for further detail.

Hard bop

Hard bop is an extension of bebop (or "bop") music that incorporates influences from rhythm and blues, gospel music, and blues, especially in the saxophone and piano playing. Hard bop was developed in the mid-1950s, partly in response to the vogue for cool jazz in the early 1950s. The hard bop style coalesced in 1953 and 1954, paralleling the rise of rhythm and blues. Miles Davis' performance of "Walkin'" the title track of his album of the same year, at the very first Newport Jazz Festival in 1954, announced the style to the jazz world. The quintet Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, fronted by Blakey and featuring pianist Horace Silver and trumpeter Clifford Brown, were leaders in the hard bop movement along with Davis.

Modal jazz

Modal jazz is a development beginning in the later 1950s which takes the mode, or musical scale, as the basis of musical structure and improvisation. Previously, the goal of the soloist was to play a solo that fit into a given chord progression. However, with modal jazz, the soloist creates a melody using one or a small number of modes. The emphasis in this approach shifts from harmony to melody. The modal theory stems from a work by George Russell, but again Miles Davis unveiled this shift to the rest of the jazz world with Kind of Blue, an exploration of the possibilities of modal jazz and the best selling jazz album of all time. Other innovators in this style include John Coltrane and Bill Evans, also present on Kind of Blue, as well as later musicians such as Herbie Hancock.

FREE JAZZ

A shot from a 2006 performance by Peter Brötzmann, a key figure in European free jazzFree jazz and the related form of avant-garde jazz broke through into an open space of "free tonality" in which meter, beat, and formal symmetry all disappeared, and a range of World music from India, Africa, and Arabia were melded into an intense, even religiously ecstatic or orgiastic style of playing[50]. While rooted in bebop, free jazz tunes gave players much more latitude; the loose harmony and tempo was deemed controversial when this approach was first developed. The bassist Charles Mingus is also frequently associated with the avant-garde in jazz, although his compositions draw from myriad styles and genres. The first major stirrings came in the 1950s, with the early work of Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor. In the 1960s, performers included John Coltrane (A Love Supreme), Archie Shepp, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders, and others. Free jazz quickly found a foothold in Europe – in part because musicians such as Ayler, Taylor, Steve Lacy and Eric Dolphy spent extended periods in Europe. A distinctive European contemporary jazz (often incorporating elements of free jazz but not limited to it) flourished also because of the emergence of musicians (such as John Surman, Zbigniew Namyslowski, Albert Mangelsdorff, Kenny Wheeler and Mike Westbrook) anxious to develop new approaches reflecting their national and regional musical cultures and contexts. Keith Jarrett has been prominent in defending free jazz from criticism by traditionalists in the 1990s and 2000s.

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我只能粗线条的说一下,具体的还是要靠大家多听,这里毕竟是耳机论坛,不是JAZZ论坛
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原帖由 小白 于 2010-9-7 22:05 发表
通过以上我对JAZZ特质的分析,我觉得重播JAZZ特别出色的HI-FI器材,也就要相应地具备以下特点:节奏感强、性格活跃、外向、音色质感好。

光是靠纯正、典雅、严谨,是不足以让JAZZ乐迷们满意的。偏清淡和清冷的声音 ...


对耳机俺是初哥,还望各位大大多多指教
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我个人也很喜欢爵士。不过最喜欢COOL JAZZ。就是mile davis 查特贝克那一派。
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原帖由 小白 于 2010-9-7 21:17 发表
事实上现在国内乐迷和发烧友还在听三四十年代Swing时期“大乐队”唱片的,恐怕已是极少了。听七十年代Fusion Jazz的,恐怕也很少,主流的欣赏还是集中在五六十年代的Bebop(当然还有当代的爵士乐)。不管是从音质还是 ...

50 60年代的一些爵士录音,确实存在比较明显的底噪。但是音乐味很浓。不过个人最喜欢的还是cool jazz。可能有点偏吧
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原帖由 asherhoa 于 2010-9-7 23:31 发表
我个人也很喜欢爵士。不过最喜欢COOL JAZZ。就是mile davis 查特贝克那一派。
乐器最喜欢小号。


COOL JAZZ有来自古典的影响,比较优雅、内敛,比较容易为一般乐迷接受,西海岸是其主要基地(相对于东海岸的HARDBOP)

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原帖由 小白 于 2010-9-7 22:38 发表





黯淡的JAZZ,我想不起有什么代表作,慵懒、随意的JAZZ,仍是暖色调的器材表现得好。我前面也没有用到“热情”两个字,我的意见是,器材声音宜外向、鲜活、温暖、有节奏活力。

总体来说内在含蓄的、冷色 ...

白版看来不太喜欢查特贝克吧?
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喜欢摇滚的朋友不妨从FUSION入手,很带劲哦
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