SMARTDEVIL 发表于 2023-1-10 06:34
楼主原来是CoN T Riva G2呀！9寸单元。而我的是piano g2才两个七寸单元，难怪低频不行。如果这样，那低频自 ...
是的，而且是20周年版本的G2，算是G2.5吧，很快出G3了，据说用自己研发的单元。大哥有空可以去广州听下Akira，真的很棒的。
羽蛇 发表于 2023-1-7 14:01
厂子和单元厂家比邻 单元是定制的
谢谢大哥分享呀，大哥对tidal的搭配有什么建议呢？谢谢
kenrayman 发表于 2023-1-10 09:36
谢谢大哥分享呀，大哥对tidal的搭配有什么建议呢？谢谢
楼主的贵丰不错 泰斗太不食人间烟火的气质 需要些温暖，我自己用大丹后级 AN前级推TONDA D
kenrayman 发表于 2023-1-9 20:04
我刚好之前同时pk了宝华801D4，丹拿信心60和grand piano，就是比piano多了一个7寸低音。结果是，grand pi ...
就是有一点不明白，akira的这种级别的箱子怎么还在用7.5寸的低音，他家低音的尺寸都太保守了
羽蛇 发表于 2023-1-10 10:49
楼主的贵丰不错 泰斗太不食人间烟火的气质 需要些温暖，我自己用大丹后级 AN前级推TONDA D
看来大神们都用大丹呀，Tonda D除了中音不是钻石，其他的基本就是Akira的体系了，哈哈，声音如何呢
Zodoes 发表于 2023-1-10 11:35
就是有一点不明白，akira的这种级别的箱子怎么还在用7.5寸的低音，他家低音的尺寸都太保守了
就是哇，至少也要用个10寸之类的，反而比G2小了，
kenrayman 发表于 2023-1-10 11:55
看来大神们都用大丹呀，Tonda D除了中音不是钻石，其他的基本就是Akira的体系了，哈哈，声音如何呢
没有5只辐射低音 分频器用料低些箱体材料是传统的防水高密度板 陶瓷7寸中音 AKIRA丐版 单元和马田花瓶一样用的通用零售款比G2多一丝温暖 宽松 少一丝空灵 清澈 国外论坛有同空间对比帖，整体更接近马田柯川3的风格水平。。。
羽蛇 发表于 2023-1-10 12:22
没有5只辐射低音 分频器用料低些箱体材料是传统的防水高密度板 陶瓷7寸中音 AKIRA丐版 单元和马田花瓶 ...
那就很棒了，找天去欣赏下Tongda D才行
照楼上几位这么描述，马田的音乐性是不是比泰斗的更好一点？
Zodoes 发表于 2023-1-10 11:35
就是有一点不明白，akira的这种级别的箱子怎么还在用7.5寸的低音，他家低音的尺寸都太保守了
Coltrane 3就是两个11寸低音
羽蛇 发表于 2023-1-10 10:49
楼主的贵丰不错 泰斗太不食人间烟火的气质 需要些温暖，我自己用大丹后级 AN前级推TONDA D
大哥，我的贵丰apex回来了，果然互补了，温润，有光泽，超低音都来了，不用说普通低频了，现在实现了小音量，三频齐全的感觉，听大制作和小编都很舒服。贵丰这代旗舰速度快，改变很大
kenrayman 发表于 2023-1-15 14:40
大哥，我的贵丰apex回来了，果然互补了，温润，有光泽，超低音都来了，不用说普通低频了，现在实现了小音 ...
谢谢哥，以后过来广州参加展会，过来指导下
羽蛇 发表于 2023-1-10 12:22
没有5只辐射低音 分频器用料低些箱体材料是传统的防水高密度板 陶瓷7寸中音 AKIRA丐版 单元和马田花瓶 ...
今天翻到这个帖子 挺难得的比较：Tonda Vimberg-D and Tidal CoN T Riva G2 impressions
Got a chance to listen to the Vimberg Tonda-D (TD) and Tidal CoN T Riva G2 (CG2) today and wanted to share my thoughts.
Upon seeing both speakers I was immediately impressed with the fit and finish especially with the CG2. Placing hands on the cabinet and tapping each of them it was nearly as if I was tapping hardwood and while playing I felt absolutely 0 vibration when touch the top of the cabinet (I tried not to get too touch feely less I piss off the dealer). The TD has some very interesting honeycomb aluminum drivers. The white and black configuration looked nice and was surprised actually that it is quite large. The CG2 had an amazing deep wood finish with a strong reflecting gloss coating… the metal feet and rings were so polished they always sparkled under the normal room lights in the listening room. The TD has more modest brushed feet (aluminum, vs stainless steel on the CG2) but still im pressive looking nonetheless.
System:
The speakers were both compared on a system that consisted of a Tidal DAC and preamp, SOTM sms-1000 powered by an SPS-1000. As well as 2 Karan - KAM2000 monoblock amps. Crystal cable interconnects, not sure on power cables, and I was listening to tidal streams.
Room:
Modest treatments with drapes… its A B Out 25 feet x 18 feet x 11 feet.
Tidal-D:
Going through my usual test tracks starting with nicholas gunn veracruz I was struck by a few things… an open airy sound stage. Excellent holographic projection and strong defined center image. Deep tight bass. Please note though that the dealer stated they were not in the optimal position given he set up both speakers for a side by side comparison.. Ideally they would be closer together and less toed in for a better soundstage and even stronger center image. The thing that impressed me the most A B Out the TD was the absolutely beautiful relaxed yet detailed top end. The horn (perhaps a cor anglais or oboe) passed my eyes closed test… a sound so emotionally engaging I close my eyes.
With deniss solee - sax and romance I was very impressed with the fact that in the extreme highs which often can get a bit hot on many systems that wasn’t the case at all with the TD. It was detailed and extended well yet was extremely smooth and relaxed… I could just embrace the sound eyes closed without gritting my teeth when Denis got a bit too bright. I ekpt saying that word in my head…. It just sounds ‘beautiful’. Everything cohered well, the speakers did a great job disappearing and I felt enveloped in the sound.
Vonda7 - don’t hesitate is a favorite of mind to hear bass quality and precise fast transients as well as get a sense of imaging as electronic sounds pan left and right in this track often. The detail was all impressed very well with great tight bass.
Overall this is a great speaker that I would describe as an amazing balance of detailed yet relaxed and natural sounding with an absolutely gorgeous smooth detailed top end that is for me the star of the show! Please try to audition this. I will be heading back at a later time to listen to the TD again in a more optimal position to hear if it performs even better.
Despite all this praise I can’t say I fell of my chair in amazement and I do feel that I preferred the greater level of resolution and microdetail offered by the magico m2 (although its hard to compare as that was a different room and different equipment). Even the persona 9H probably was slightly more detailed but the top end of the TD is truly magical and I can see myself missing it when I want that smooth detailed lay back and get lost in the music type of sound (vs. the analytical microscope ordeal).
CoN T Riva G2:
I didn’t expect all that much different from the CG2. They are the same size, same tweeter (as per the dealer) and the drivers seemed slightly but not hugely different.
Wow.
I was shocked when we started running through the same test tracks. Within 5 seconds of hearing the CG2 I looked over at the dealer mouth hanging partially open to see him grinning.
When Tidal dealer Doug White (not the gentlemen I met today) says Tidal aims to be a ‘clear glass of water’... now I know what he means. The detail was simply mind blowing. I could immediately hear a vibrato in the oboe in the veracruz that was made so much more clear… reverberation of the vibrato in the recording room that gave me chills. The details might have been there in the TD but here they jump out and make you aware that there is so much more hidden in the track. The soundstage extended further and became even more immersive.
Vonda7 don’t hesitate was like being in a club with laser light focused sound pulsing around me… I recall looking behind me and A B Ove at the back cornes of the wall expecting to find additional speakers… the speed intense focus and extreme holographic posititioning was simply intoxicating.
With Deniss solee - sax on the beach.. I could perceive him moving his saxophone around… back away from the mic and then to one side… it was so obvious it was as if he was there playing in front of me.
On celtic woman - isle of innisfree the initial harp strings which sounded beautiful on the TD now sounded other wordly… hanging in the air conveying the feeling of literal tangibility. Micro reverberation of vocal, instruments all became easy to perceive.
Overall I have to say the CoN T Riva G2 is the best speaker I ever heard… again its hard to compare speakers when you’ve heard them with different electronics and in different rooms but it is a speaker that truly brings amazing microdetail, laser transients, an enveloping and truly immersive soundstage. Despite this detailed sound for some reason the speaker still sounds engaging and musical. Bass impact is solid but still precise, perhaps a notch less impactful than the TD but I didn’t feel it lacking. Having said that I always listen with subs on and would do the same with either of these speakers (but thats just the bass head in me).
The only criticism I have is that or or two times I noticed a bit of a compressed sound in certain tracks and thats clearly a fault of the track that was simply being revealed by the CG2.. the TD which is I think more relaxed and slightly warmer did a good job of hiding this imperfection.
Secondly I would a couple times with Denis Solee his saxophone got slightly hot at the peaks (the TD rounded those slightly and made it much easier to listen to)... but overall it wasn’t that problematic… I would gladly accept that slight hotness for all the rest of the amazing qualities of this speaker.
Now these are pricey speakers.. Especially the CG2.. but if your in the market PLEASE listen to one.. especially if you like a detailed immersive sound.
