ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 15:49:30

Bruce Springsteen82年的NEBRASKA是根正苗红的民谣哦,非常喜欢。Simon & Grafunkel悦耳而已,缺乏点“民谣精神”:D

zscfwhdrsqj 发表于 2011-12-21 15:52:26

原帖由 ledzep 于 2011-12-21 15:49 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
Bruce Springsteen82年的NEBRASKA是根正苗红的民谣哦,非常喜欢。Simon & Grafunkel悦耳而已,缺乏点“民谣精神”:D 你们说的是民谣还是民谣摇滚?lz好像说不听民谣摇滚.;P

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ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 16:02:40

NEBRASKA是BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN不多的自弹自唱的正宗民谣。

民谣摇滚扎根于民谣,继承了民谣的精神,音乐形式、内容比民谣丰富,富有时代气息,建议LZ尝试下,不要看到摇滚二个字就害怕,其实一点不吵的。;P

link_lqs 发表于 2011-12-21 16:09:19

猫王和beach boys也是摇滚乐,不过那和“喧哗吵闹”可是不沾边的,呵呵。

摇滚的分支太多太多了,所以不要把摇滚等同于AC/DC和欧洲死金。放开视野,你会发现摇滚乐的领域简直是无所不包:)

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海菲兹拉二胡 发表于 2011-12-21 18:19:07

原帖由 ledzep 于 2011-12-21 16:02 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
NEBRASKA是BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN不多的自弹自唱的正宗民谣。

民谣摇滚扎根于民谣,继承了民谣的精神,音乐形式、内容比民谣丰富,富有时代气息,建议LZ尝试下,不要看到摇滚二个字就害怕,其实一点不吵的。;P 好,我试试看。不过都没人听Joan Baez ,有谁介绍下她必须听的专辑吧,好像专辑好多啊。有哪些经典的?我现在才知道她居然是迪伦的女朋友~

不过刚查了一下,跟迪伦交往期间,她已经是如日中天了,迪伦还只是新人诶,怎么能说她的成就与迪伦有关呢?

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absmart 发表于 2011-12-21 19:08:47

纯粹民谣的现在不多 ,兰草好听。
新民谣、暗黑有些也很好听。

YP13 发表于 2011-12-21 19:17:15



NO WOMAN NO CRY 这首应该听过

ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 21:22:34

原帖由 海菲兹拉二胡 于 2011-12-21 18:19 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
好,我试试看。不过都没人听Joan Baez ,有谁介绍下她必须听的专辑吧,好像专辑好多啊。有哪些经典的?我现在才知道她居然是迪伦的女朋友~

不过刚查了一下,跟迪伦交往期间,她已经是如日中天了,迪伦还只是新人诶 ...

没错,这个是事实。但是没有DYLAN的话,BAEZ恐怕早被人遗忘了。当时像BAEZ这样的民谣歌手多得是,比如MAMA AND PAPA之类,现在没有几个人会去听他们的专辑,哦,也许除那首著名的嬉皮士之歌CALIFORNIA DREAMING:lol

link_lqs 发表于 2011-12-21 21:34:08

一说起dylan和baez,就想起那首著名的《blowin' in the wind》;P

ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 21:39:17

原帖由 link_lqs 于 2011-12-21 21:34 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
一说起dylan和baez,就想起那首著名的《blowin' in the wind》;P

新发行的BOOTLEG系列中好像有个64年两人合唱的现场版本。

link_lqs 发表于 2011-12-21 21:51:59

迄今也觉得《Freewheelin' Bob Dylan》是dylan旋律最优美的专辑,那种清新和温暖在他以后的专辑中都很难找到了。包括那幅他和初恋女友相依而行的封面,真是青涩啊...

ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 21:56:36

BOB DYLAN是60年代美国民谣运动和后来的民谣摇滚的中心人物,才华冠绝一时,很多其他的民谣乐队如上面有人提到的THE BAND、THE BYRD、MAMA AND PAPA都翻唱过DYLAN的作品,往往一张专辑翻唱几首,有点众星捧月的意思。

ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 22:00:22

原帖由 link_lqs 于 2011-12-21 21:51 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
迄今也觉得《Freewheelin' Bob Dylan》是dylan旋律最优美的专辑,那种清新和温暖在他以后的专辑中都很难找到了。包括那幅他和初恋女友相依而行的封面,真是青涩啊...

这个初恋女友最近刚去世,有趣的是还作为一条新闻被报道,如果没有DYLAN和这张封面,恐怕没人会记得这个女人。:lol

ledzep 发表于 2011-12-21 22:08:40

这个女人叫SUZE ROTOLO.

Susan Elizabeth Rotolo (November 20, 1943 – February 25, 2011), known as Suze Rotolo (pronounced /ˈsuːziː/ soo-zee), was an American artist, but is perhaps best known as Bob Dylan's girlfriend between 1961 and 1964 and a strong influence on his music. She is the woman walking with him on the cover of his album The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, a ground-breaking street image by the CBS studio photographer, Don Hunstein. In her book, A Freewheelin' Time: A Memoir of Greenwich Village in the Sixties, Rotolo described her time with Dylan and other figures in the folk music and bohemian scene in Greenwich Village, New York. She also discussed her upbringing as a "red diaper" baby—a child of radicals during the McCarthy Era. As an artist, Rotolo specialized in artists' books and taught at the Parsons School of Design in New York City.




Contents
1 Biography
1.1 The Freewheelin' years, 1961–1964
1.2 Later life, 1964–2011
1.3 Death
2 Notes
3 References
4 External links


Biography
The Freewheelin' years, 1961–1964
Rotolo, of Italian-American descent, was born in the Brooklyn Jewish Hospital, New York and raised in Sunnyside, Queens. Her parents were Joachim Rotolo and Mary Pezzati Rotolo, who were members of the American Communist Party. In July 1961, she graduated from Bryant High School.

At about the time she met Dylan, Rotolo began working full time as a political activist in the office of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), and the anti-nuclear group SANE. She and her sister Carla had also entered the Greenwich Village folk scene. Rotolo first met Dylan at a Riverside Church folk concert in July 1961. They were introduced by Carla, who at that time was working as an assistant to folklorist Alan Lomax. Describing their meeting in his memoir, Chronicles, Volume One, Dylan wrote: "Right from the start I couldn’t take my eyes off her. She was the most erotic thing I’d ever seen. She was fair skinned and golden haired, full-blood Italian. The air was suddenly filled with banana leaves. We started talking and my head started to spin. Cupid’s arrow had whistled past my ears before, but this time it hit me in the heart and the weight of it dragged me overboard... Meeting her was like stepping into the tales of 1001 Arabian Nights. She had a smile that could light up a street full of people and was extremely lively, had a kind of voluptuousness – a Rodin sculpture come to life".

It was not until they met that Dylan's writing began to address issues such as the civil rights movement and the threat of nuclear war. They started living together in early 1962, much to the disapproval of her family. As Dylan's fame grew, Rotolo found the relationship increasingly stressful. She wrote: "Bob was charismatic: he was a beacon, a lighthouse, he was also a black hole. He required committed backup and protection I was unable to provide consistently, probably because I needed them myself". "I could no longer cope with all the pressure, gossip, truth and lies that living with Bob entailed. I was unable to find solid ground. I was on quicksand and very vulnerable".

Rotolo left New York in June 1962, with her mother, to spend six months studying art at the University of Perugia in Italy. She was known there as Justine Rotolo, having used an invented middle name to register as "S. Justine Rotolo". Dylan's separation from his girlfriend has been credited as the inspiration behind several of his finest love songs, including "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright", "Tomorrow Is a Long Time", "One Too Many Mornings", and "Boots of Spanish Leather"

Rotolo's political views were widely regarded as having influenced Dylan's topical songwriting. Dylan also credited her with interesting him in the French poet, Arthur Rimbaud, who heavily influenced his writing style. The influence of Bertolt Brecht on Dylan's songwriting has also been acknowledged by Dylan as stemming from Rotolo's participation in Brechtian theater during their relationship. In Chronicles, Dylan describes the impact of the song "Pirate Jenny" while attending a Brecht show on which Rotolo worked. Dylan's interest in painting can also be traced back to his relationship with Rotolo.

Rotolo emphasised her shared values with Dylan in an interview with author Robbie Woliver: "People say I was an influence on him, but we influenced each other. His interests were filtered through me and my interests, like the books I had, were filtered through him... It was always sincere on his part. The guy saw things. He had an incredible ability to see and sponge—there was a genius in that. The ability to create out of everything that's flying around. To synthesize it. To put it in words and music."

According to her autobiography, Rotolo became pregnant in 1963 by Dylan and had an abortion. Their relationship failed to survive the abortion, Dylan's affair with Joan Baez and the hostility of the Rotolo family. Suze moved out into her sister's apartment in August 1963. They finally broke up in 1964, in circumstances which Dylan described in his "Ballad in Plain D". Twenty years later, he apologised for the song, saying: "I must have been a real schmuck to write that. I look back at that particular one and say, of all the songs I've written, maybe I could have left that alone."

Later life, 1964–2011
Rotolo traveled to Cuba in June 1964, with a group, at a time when it was unlawful for Americans to do so. She was quoted as saying, in regard to opponents of Fidel Castro that, "These gusanos are not suppressed. There can be open criticism of the regime. As long as they keep it to talk they are tolerated, as long as there is no sabotage."

Rotolo married Italian Enzo Bartoccioli, a film editor who works for the United Nations, in 1967. Together they had one son, Luca, who is a guitarist in New York. In New York, Rotolo worked as an illustrator and painter, before concentrating on creating book art, making book-like objects which incorporated found art. Remaining politically active, Rotolo joined the street-theater group Billionaires for Bush and protested at the 2004 Republican National Convention in Manhattan.

Rotolo evaded discussion of her relationship with Dylan for decades. In July 2004, she was interviewed in a documentary produced by New York PBS Channel 13 and The New York Daily News; in November 2004, she made an unannounced appearance at the Experience Music Project, on a panel discussing Dylan's early days in Greenwich Village. She and her husband also were involved in putting on a memorial event for Dave van Ronk after the singer's death in 2002.

Rotolo appears in Martin Scorsese's film No Direction Home: Bob Dylan, a documentary focusing on Dylan's early career from 1961 to 1966. It played on the American Masters series on U.S. public television in September 2005. She was also interviewed nationally in 2008 by Terry Gross on NPR's Fresh Air to promote her book, A Freewheelin' Time: A Memoir of Greenwich Village in the Sixties.

Rotolo's book was published by Broadway Books on May 13, 2008. Rotolo recounted her attempts not to be overshadowed by her relationship with Dylan. She discussed her need to pursue her artistic creativity and to retain her political integrity, concluding: "The sixties were an era that spoke a language of inquiry and curiosity and rebelliousness against the stifling and repressive political and social culture of the decade that preceded it. The new generation causing all the fuss was not driven by the market: we had something to say, not something to sell."

Death
Rotolo died of lung cancer at her home in New York City's NoHo district on 25 February 2011, aged 67.

Notes
^ a b c The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia, 2006, pp. 592–594, Michael Gray, Continuum
^ Howard Sounes, Down the Highway The Life Of Bob Dylan Doubleday 2001 ISBN 0-552-99929-6 P123
^ a b c d e Grimes, William (2011-03-01). "Suze Rotolo, a Face, With Bob Dylan, of ’60s Music, Is Dead at 67". New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/arts/music/01rotolo.html?scp=1&sq=Suze%20Rotolo&st=cse. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
^ Rotolo described the circumstances surrounding the Freewheelin' cover photo in Rotolo, 2008, A Freewheelin’ Time, pp. 216–218.
^ Suze Rotolo Biography at the Internet Movie Database
^ Suze Rotolo (2008) A Freewheelin' Time, page 26
^ Rotolo discusses her political background in A Freewheelin’ Time, particularly pages 26–40
^ Suze Rotolo Trivia at the Internet Movie Database
^ Dylan, Chronicles, Volume One, p. 265.
^ a b c d e f g "Suze Rotolo obituary". thetimes.co.uk. 2011-03-02. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/obituaries/article2930278.ece. Retrieved 2011-03-02.
^ a b Williams, Richard (2011-02-28). "Suze Rotolo obituary". guardian.co.uk. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/feb/28/suze-rotolo-obituary. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
^ A Freewheelin' Time, page 185
^ Heylin, 2000, Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited, p. 120.
^ Sounes, 2001, Down The Highway: The Life Of Bob Dylan, pp. 120–121.
^ Dylan, Chronicles, Volume One, pp. 272–276.
^ Woliver, Hoot! A 25-Year History of the Greenwich Village Music Scene, pp. 75–76.
^ Rotolo, Suze (2008). A Freewheelin' Time: A Memoir of Greenwich Village in the Sixties. New York: Broadway Books. ISBN 0767926870.
^ Flanagan, 1990, Written In My Soul, p. 97.
^ The New York Times, July 1, 1964.
^ The New York Times, July 1, 1964 and August 19, 1964 issues.
^ Suze Rotolo Spouse at the Internet Movie Database
^ Internet Movie Database
^ Gross, Terry (interviewer) (2008-05-14). "Suze Rotolo: Of Dylan, New York and Art". Fresh Air. NPR. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90429995. Retrieved 2011-03-02.
^ Rotolo, A Freewheelin' Time, p. 367.
^ Greene, Andy (2011-02-27). "Suze Rotolo, Bob Dylan's Girlfriend and the Muse Behind Many of His Greatest Songs, Dead at 67". Rolling Stone. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/suze-rotolo-bob-dylans-girlfriend-and-the-muse-behind-many-of-his-greatest-songs-dead-at-67-20110227. Retrieved 2011-02-28.
^ Hoberman, J. (2011-02-27). "Suze Rotolo, 1943–2011". Village Voice. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/02/suze_rotolo_194.php. Retrieved 2011-03-02.
References
Dylan, Bob (2004). Chronicles: Volume One. Simon and Schuster. p. 293. ISBN 0-7432-2815-4.
Flanagan, Bill (1990). Written In My Soul. Omnibus Press. ISBN 0-7119-2224-1.
Gray, Michael (2006), The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia, Continuum International, ISBN 0-8264-6933-7
Heylin, Clinton (2003). Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited. Perennial Currents. ISBN 0-06-052569-X.
Rotolo, Suze (2009), A Freewheelin' Time, Aurum Press, ISBN 0-7679-2688-9
Shelton, Robert (2003, reprint of 1986 original). No Direction Home. Da Capo Press. pp. 576 pages. ISBN 0-306-81287-8.
Sounes, Howard (2001). Down The Highway: The Life Of Bob Dylan. Grove Press. ISBN 0-8021-1686-8.
Woliver, Robbie (1994). Hoot! A 25-Year History of the Greenwich Village Music Scene. St.Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-10995-4.

link_lqs 发表于 2011-12-21 22:09:28

原帖由 ledzep 于 2011-12-21 21:56 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
BOB DYLAN是60年代美国民谣运动和后来的民谣摇滚的中心人物,才华冠绝一时,很多其他的民谣乐队如上面有人提到的THE BAND、THE BYRD、MAMA AND PAPA都翻唱过DYLAN的作品,往往一张专辑翻唱几首,有点众星捧月的意思。 ...

这个看看rolling stone杂志评选出的500张史上最强专辑就一目了然了。前50名中除了一些传奇人物或者具有重大历史意义的专辑,beatles和dylan可以说是各占半壁江山。就算排除欧美人欣赏口味的因素,还是很具有参考性的:D
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