davidxtb
发表于 2011-1-10 20:35:02
手头有RKV的,不玩AKG的东西实在是太浪费了,尤其是KK。:lol :lol :lol
虽然这东西推其他耳机同样出色,但推AKG实在...........
akg k1000的听感
I auditioned this combo, comparing it to Headroom Cosmic (old model without Base Station 1) and Sennheiser HD600 (no Clou cable). The SAC amp had about 60 hours of burn-in time. Headphone only about 15 hours.
First, an apologia. I'm a novice at explaining what I hear. I know next to nothing about electronics or its terminology so I can't offer any mega- or killo- talk (which would help me better explain some things that I hear). I'll also say that at age 43 my hearing is more discerning than in earlier years, but at the price of some loss in the upper frequencies -- not enough however to affect most musical listening. I'm sure there will be other, more experienced and eloquent commentaries on this particular combo. And I anxiously await their views because I have learned a lot from this and other audio forums. (At the end of this post I include links to reviews in the past 6 months on AKG K1000 and/or SAC amp.) However, I decided that an early, initial-impression post might be warranted because I have received a few e-mails asking me for my views of this combo from people wanting to act on Jan's current sales-action before it's too late. This is not really a review, just my listening notes, so take it with a grain of salt.
Equipment: Arcam Alpha 5
ART Di/O DAC
Dimarzio ic w/ radioshack 1/4" adapters to connect to ART Di/O
Getting Started: The AKG take some fussing to get the right sound. I fiddled a little with adjustments on AKG K1000. I first tried to turn the ear-grilles out. My head's pretty skinny so I lost too much bass. I returned them parallel to my ear for better bass and tilted the headband toward the front of my head to improve the bass still more. After quite a while of listening (each time having to find the best spot), I've settled on tilting them the headband toward the back of my head to pick up a clearer and stronger bass signal. This has become my standard listening position which means quiet, fairly still listening in a chair -- no boogying on the dance floor or the headphones will fly who knows where! I find the AKG very comfortable. There is a slight pressure on your temple with no pressure on your ears. I prefer this to the conventional headphone feel.
For my first audition I listened to Mahler 4th Symphony, 2d movement. This is a scherzi, a demented and rusticated parody of a waltz. It is a nice audition piece because of the wide palette of instruments (horns, flutes, woodwind, a full complement of strings--including harp, and percussion). In addition to the more common symphonic tutti it also has many moments in which these instrument groupings play against one another in small ensemble roles, with ample opportunity to hear instruments playing solo. Mahler in general is good for listening to a wide array of instruments in combination with one another.
Here are my initial impressions.
The AKG/SAC combo is extremely transparent with gobs of detail and a very precise and expanded soundstage. I thought the Sennheiser's were transparent when I compared them to Grado 125 but compared to the AKG the Senn show signs of coloration and warmth with a relatively squished projection of instrumental separation and difference. A discernable "silence" is etched between instruments with AKG. Instrumental separation and placement is very audible and nicely imaged. It does an amazing job of allowing the various layers and intensities/dynamics of instruments during complex tutti moments.
The potential down-side of AKG's transparency and detail is that it tends toward an analytical presentation, which may be fatiguing for extended listening. The Senn have a smooth (even soothing or "laid-back") balance across the sound range. However, compared to the AKG, the Senn's lows on bass instruments sound tubby and puffy (i.e., they lose more focus than the AKG) Where the Senn may make the stroke of a contrebass sound like a puff or glug of sound, you can hear the attack of the bow to string in the AKG. Again, I found this an interesting lesson in relativity because in my earlier comparisons of Senn and Grado, I clearly thought the Senn had better detail.
In contrast to my preference for the AKG in presentation of the bass sounds (percussion, lower brass, and stringed instruments), the Senn have a tamer high range. The AKG/SAC tend toward pinched and thin highs (I am hoping this improves over time). For example the woodwinds sound nasally and violins more screechy. A musical phenomenon that I cannot explain electronically is that different headphones present the same instrument at different pitches (frequencies). For instance, the Senn seems to bring some of the violins and woodwinds down almost an octave from that of the AKG. This, I think, explains why the soundstage is more collapsed and "colored" than the AKG.
Because of AKG's thin and pinched highs I decided to lunge into the belly of the beast (for me, string quartets because the sound of the violin can become very irritating if it is pitched too high and thin). I chose the Emerson String Quartet playing Beethoven op. 131. I was pleasantly surprised by how the AKG dealt with this music. It was thinner than the Senn but not irritating. The detail, transparency and especially the PRAT leaped out at me. The texture of the sound, the timbre of the instruments really was greatly improved over the Senn. In all of my listening the AKG was clear a winner when it came to dynamics. It could present the subtlest shades and shifts from pianissimo to fortissimo.
The last two movements of this quartet really generate some heat and speed. To borrow a digital metaphor, the Senn just seemed like the information was streaming too fast for them to keep up, while the AKG snapped up the information and laid it out in a "real-time" stream. The pizzicato and rapid sawing of the bow across the strings were thrillingly presented with the AKG. The rapid-fire cross playing of the four lines undulating from player to player was palpable.
The lows of the cello didn't bloom like the Senn but neither did they get lost with the AKG. They just were plucked and bowed without collapsing into the complex pandemonium of sound. If people like a physical feel to their bass, I don't think that the AKG is right for you. You can "groove" to them but they're certainly not headbangers. It takes some adjustment to get into the groove of the music but when you do, you're "there", right in front (if not on top) of the music. The Senn has a more distanced presentation of the music -- smooth and refined.
I had the hardest time trying to compare the two with vocal music. Just to add suspicion to my views, most people argue that AKG 1000 really shine in vocal music. I am not convinced that they are the hands down winner in this department. I couldn't believe my ears so I tried a few different samples (soprano Susan Graham in Le roi du Thule; soprano Regine Crespin in Berlioz's Les Nuits d'ete, and tenor Ian Bostridge in Schubert's Die Schone Mullerin). I generally preferred the Senn because the voices were more voluptuous and immediately pleasant -- some of the cushion of warmth and color supported the voices and deepened their texture. The AKG was detailed and transparent, but in a way that made the voice seem unsupported, isolated, and "naked" (giving a certain graininess to the voice). I still need to listen more because I'm not convinced that one is clearly better than other, but I'm nonetheless surprised that AKG didn't impress me more.
In the end, my judgement about the 2 combos is similar to that of picking who's better: Vermeer or Rubens, Bach or Beethoven, Proust or Joyce, Batman or Spider Man? They're different, each with the strengths, and at this level, very few real weakness. I can see myself moving back and forth endlessly. Sometimes picking up the AKG K1000 for careful, analytical listening, wanting to hear a crystalline sound of transparency and detail (especially in chamber music). Sometimes relaxing to the musicality of the Senn their immediate invitation to be enveloped in a lusty musical experience.
For additional reviews from more experienced ears than mine, see Jan's initial review of AKG1000:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2862
Jan's Review of SAC amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=2&tid=1808
An exceptionally detailed and comprehensive review of AKG 1000, including short comparisons using various amps:
http://www.acidhardware.com/reviews/akg/index.shtml
Todd's (from Headroom) review of AKG 1000 with Antique Sound Labs AQ 1005DT tube power amp:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.php?fnum=1&tid=2447
Harry's review (via Jan) comparing AKG 1000 to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.p...fdays=2&stime=0
Jan's subsequent view of the AKG 1000 compared to other headphones:
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.p...stime=0&fpage=2
M Rael's excellent description of AKG's sound comparing it to Sony MDR-F1
http://headwize.com/ubb/showpage5.p...fdays=2&stime=0
There are, of course, others but these were the ones that I remembered best for one reason or another.
[ 本帖最后由 davidxtb 于 2011-1-12 13:34 编辑 ]
余音袅袅
发表于 2011-1-11 00:43:58
原帖由 donthuang 于 2010-6-1 16:49 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
汗.....有這麼難選擇耳擴嗎?
那要不要試試Burson audio的HA160,據老外說T1和HA160的組合可以壓倒HD800和Woo audio5的組合 那HA160岂不是“神器”了?600多和4000多的东西再怎么比也……
G弦上的咏叹调
发表于 2011-1-11 02:37:50
被挖了
比较公认的推K701 的神器:victory:
davidxtb
发表于 2011-1-22 23:51:44
最近有兄弟从香港回来说声辉的价格涨到一万七千多了,另外低阻适配器的价格是4400人民币。
最近的CPI指数,想不到居然会波及到这个东西,欧元贬值的一塌糊涂。居然这个东西会逆市上扬
转载一:
KK的驱动
1、试一试RKV MKII,这台耳放需要接低阻适配器推,效果还不错,声音细腻饱满,但未必可以发挥KK的全部潜力。
或者
2、音乐传真A500A,但此种推法需要非常好的前级,细腻温润的那种,不然A100A推出来的声音侵略性太强,呱噪不堪。
3、(没有听过)其他的国外有推荐MANLEY LABS(万里) STINGRAY推挽合并式功放的
STINGRAY(魔鬼鱼)是一台外形酷似其名的EL84推挽合并式功放,它每声道采用了12AT7×1作为前级放大,6414双三极管×1作为倒相推动,EL84×4作为A类并联推挽功率放大。最特别的地方是采用了完全独立的单声道设计,不但在电路上是这样,就连在信号接口的安排以及超线性与三极的转换开关等也是每声道设立一个,更为此提供了一个BALANCE的调节左右平衡的旋钮,可见MANLEY的用心良苦。STINGRAY也像它家的其他高端胆机一样,只设立了一个喇叭接线柱,能提供最小2Ω的动态输出阻抗,基本上能满足大多数音箱的要求
http://www.mojeaudio.pl/images/stories/manley_stingray_2-1_1.jpg
images/HC/attachimg.gif attachments/month_1102/20110212_72dd6c72a29ca81da97dmSFWfMnrTR5R.jpg images/attachicons/image.gif 11_200903141044212US6J.jpg (69.75 KB)
2011-2-12 22:05
4、(没有听过)国外有推荐CARY300SEI单端合并功放,这台功放1支6SN7输出,2支6SN7前置驱动,2支加利原装300B功率放大,可调整偏流,单端纯甲放大,搭棚焊。
http://att.jd-bbs.com/day_100616/20100616_9c372020c224c163d558vQFXttf4rSrQ.jpg
5、更变态的推法是用EAR YOSHINO V20
http://www.ear-yoshino.com/old/upload_images/v20_Full.jpg
6、HEAD-FI也有推荐Krell KAV-500i合并式放大器的,但没有听过;或者KRELL
Krell KSA-50S http://ae.images22.51img1.com/6000/kaitian_yx/ef22588f2beb9aa52641165960e102a3.jpg
7、马克前后级,后级用 MARK 23.5,驱动KK据说也让人YY,但没有听过,之前看过那个帖子的,但知道存到哪里去了。
8、JEFF ROWLAND 8TI,虽然号称效果不错,但钢琴不够理想。
9、 高文 28
http://www.gzhifi.com/zh/images/200907/1248287722936573822.JPG
10、柏林之声合并功放032
http://news.hifi023.com/uploads/ershou/1/1284309532959365.jpg
转载二:
KK的驱动
其实呢,k1000这个耳机,我第一次听,是2002年前后,那会国内能买一只5000左右耳机的人不多,当时有一位住奥地利的外交参赞,家住天通苑,是个世家子弟,我和他认识,当时并不知他也玩hifi,后来去他那里玩,看到了奥菲斯全套,linn cd12
k1000和r10+r10前级,我当时并不懂耳机,他的奥菲斯耳放也出了问题,没机会试听,k1000因为样子实在是奇特,我就带上试试看
k1000张开角度样子非常难看,有些像猪八戒,那会我看见这个耳机的功放连接线还很好奇,结果他接上的放大器,是一部jadis的da50,那次听k1000,感觉非常适合听歌剧,声场的宽度开阔到全景镜头的效果,层次感稍差,立体度稍差,中频密实,能够非常清晰的表达出歌者的情感。
r10+r10前级,是他朋友的组合,这套组合曾经在清华附近的一家咖啡厅展示过,很可惜后来耳机被试听者弄坏了,非常可惜的组合。。。。
本来也不想多说k1000的驱动,毕竟,能说到一起才是沟通的前提,凡事有个比较,14万美金的胆机是有,能不能推k1000,相信那部机器能推威信亚历山大2,一定能推k1000的,不过能不能让k1000发出“适合”的声音,则不一定
我和那位朋友,5年时间,也有过一些些的体会,去年写过,贴过来看看吧
"我使用K1000的5年时间,也可以说是和K1000斗争的5年,这5年里,这位来自音乐之都的骨感美人,很少展现出她最亮丽的一面,可叹我没有帝王的本领,没办法做到:‘一骑红尘妃子笑’,和K1000相处的这5年,苦恼的问题不断,是连续不断,但是在她展现出自身魅力的一瞬间,就似银色的流星划过灰色的天幕,让我难以忘记。音响的无穷魅力,可能就是领会这一瞬间的绝美体验。。。。
K1000的声音,中频灿烂,顺滑如丝绸,柔媚如夏花,就像夏夜闪烁的星空一样,背景是如此宁静的黑,星星的光芒,真实却又迷幻,高频似钻石般闪亮,低频量感不多,但是线条清晰,绝少脂肪。
为了能够让K1000展现出最美好的一面,那些被淘汰的放大器,比如贵丰2200,百事通4BSST,PASS X350,金嗓子 E530,音乐之旅AW 60麦景图 MC402,AA 合并KRELL KSA 50,暂且不提,我只说说能够让K1000畅快歌唱的几个。
首先是JEFF ROWLAND 8TI,在JEFF貌似阴柔的推力下,K1000展示了自己最抚媚的一面,听不食人间烟火的王菲,中气十足的蔡琴,或者是穿透力量无限帕瓦罗蒂,K1000让你完全投入,你只需要闭上双眼,去想象置身于桃花源中,享受这人间天籁。K1000搭配JEFF,完全PK掉了重播女声一流的铁三角 W100和号称男生毒品的 RS1!BRAVO!!你只需要一曲终了的欢呼。
JEFF下的K1000是完美的吗?不要忘记,K1000还有一个美名:钢琴之王。K1000重播的钢琴,是可以和丹拿喇叭一较高下的,前提是你要完全的驾驭这个奥地利公主。JEFF的白璧微瑕,就是重播钢琴或者大部头的交响。JEFF是细腻的,婉约的,阴性的,在拉3钢协的最强奏部分,K1000力有未怠,在马勒第5的铜管咆哮,大鼓猛击下,K1000还是会乱阵脚,这个问题看来JEFF 8号是不能解决的。。。。。。你说9号?K1000的价格是5000。。。本来用8号来推已经是。。。。。更何况是难得一见的9号。。。。
现在的新JEFF,完全摆脱的过去的阴柔感觉,在201的推动下,K1000表现出了全面而阳光的感受,但是论及风花雪月,却不复当年8号之魅惑。
MARK 23.5,在MARK一代经典后级的推动下,K1000由一个北欧冰雪精灵,变成了一个文武平衡的通才,要音色,OK,给你音色,要动态,OK,给你动态,要延伸下潜,OK,这些都给你,难道23.5是K1000的绝配吗?很可惜,全面是全面了,只是每一门功课,只能打80分而已。是优等生,但是有些乏味,没有什么精彩之处,总是让你感觉距离完全解放K1000,就差那么一点。可就是这么一点,抱歉,23.5欠奉。。。。。。
CELLO四件套:一句话,JEFF 8TI的全面升级版本。冲击力上还是差了一口气。但是相比8TI,已经由阴性转向了中性,相比23.5更加透明,高频的延伸似乎没有尽头。。。。。用这个来重播小提琴。。。。犹如ATC重放的大提琴一样,只要你听过,就明白登泰山而天下小是什么意味
高文 28:极快的速度感,清晰的结像,完全的另类体验,K1000在高文的驱动下,展现出了静电耳机的特点,全频透明无比,冲击力非常好,美中不足是低频的处理方式,不是没有,也不是下潜不深,而是没有肌肉感,就像是段誉去学了降龙十八掌,威力肯定有,可是感觉有些不协调
最后来说说我认为的K1000终极之选,没错,柏林之声。也许是巧合吧,从地缘性质来讲,德奥是关系非常紧密的邻国,从音乐史来说,奥地利的乐团,德国的作曲家,可谓是珠联璧合,相映成辉。
从声音来讲,从柏林最入门的991,到合并032,再到011+911,都能够非常完美的匹配K1000的特性,不像另一个德国HI FI品牌AA。AA合并是不能驱动K1000的。后级还行,这个也许就是HI FI和HI END的差距吧。
北京耳机圈的名人,XXXX,在听过K1000+032之后,不禁发出了:K1000的声音原来是这样的!!之感叹,是的,K1000的音色,和柏林之声,完美的切合到了一点上,如果说K1000是高贵的,难以亲近的欧洲公主,那么柏林之声,就是真正的蓝血王子,他们在一起,衍生出来的完美的爱情,试听一下,你就可以体会到这种甜蜜。。。。。
我听011+911搭配K1000的时光更多些,在011+911身上,你能够找到K1000几乎所有的优点,低频部分是好多朋友诟病K1000的地方,请你有机会一定要尝试一下柏林之声,开阔的声场,精确的定位,音响如同水晶般剔透而凸显,小提琴的擦铉感,甚至让你有置身太虚的不真实感,钢琴的庞大动态,对于011+911来说,正是恣意挥洒的舞台,没有朗朗一样夸张的表情,没有李云迪的拘谨,不像老霍一样剑走偏锋,是的,就像是鲁宾斯坦,那10个手指,就像是瑞士的机械表里的齿轮,精准的运行着,又似10个士兵一样,一丝不苟的执行着命令,但是决不是死板,在011的指挥下,军队有了统帅,手表也在大师的精心装配下,散发出了迷人的光彩。
就像是紫气东来的王者,K1000在011+911的驾驭下,巴比伦破茧而出,君临天下。人生得此乐趣,不禁要在一曲唱罢后痛快的喊一声:快哉!!
也因为这些原因吧,burmester,最后他拿下了北京的代理权,彻底离开了外交领域
写这些是07年的夏天,我是比较偏感性的写东西,现在看,burmester是不是最适合推k1000,我说不一定,我猜测,soulution和dartzeel一定也很厉害。那会我们还没有机会听高文的telos系列,后来听了,也试过了,在telos600面前,burmester全面下风,几乎给高文telos功放全胜吧。
k1000是拥有喇叭系统玩家的一个调剂,一道饭前甜点,你偏偏就吃甜点,苦恼一定有的。但是你不能说,甜点有缺陷,吃不饱肚子,那个不是甜点的问题,是你没有之后的主菜。你也不能说,甜点和主菜比,谁更重要,天天吃主菜,恐怕也会腻
[ 本帖最后由 davidxtb 于 2011-2-12 23:20 编辑 ]
Bomb_Dance
发表于 2011-1-23 02:17:18
原帖由 davidxtb 于 2011-1-22 23:51 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
最近有兄弟从香港回来说声辉的价格涨到一万七千多了,不带低阻适配器的价钱。
最近的CPI指数,想不到居然会波及到这个东西,欧元贬值的一塌糊涂。居然这个东西会逆市上扬
因为美国开动印钞机,加上香港跟美金挂勾的联系汇率,所以港币也是一直都在贬值呢……
看门人
发表于 2011-1-23 09:56:25
原帖由 davidxtb 于 2011-1-22 23:51 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
最近有兄弟从香港回来说声辉的价格涨到一万七千多了,不带低阻适配器的价钱。
最近的CPI指数,想不到居然会波及到这个东西,欧元贬值的一塌糊涂。居然这个东西会逆市上扬
声辉淘宝上就是这个价格,但不知道是否是邮寄到大陆的价格,再加上低阻适配器就是2W了。
warmsun
发表于 2011-1-23 10:17:55
原帖由 mayao11 于 2010-6-7 22:32 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
渣画质 :lol :lol :lol
0500
发表于 2011-1-23 11:48:01
:victory:
davidxtb
发表于 2011-3-8 18:04:46
最近重新将帖子整理了一下,希望这个帖子能提供RKV(包括1984年生产的RKV MKI也就是RKV的第一代产品的图)更为详实的资料,努力使大家对这台二房有更全面、客观的认识。
看门人
发表于 2011-3-8 18:50:26
我的RKV换牛了,就是最新的那种,原厂定制,与新出厂的RKV用的是同一种。
davidxtb
发表于 2011-3-8 20:31:24
原帖由 看门人 于 2011-3-8 18:50 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
我的RKV换牛了,就是最新的那种,原厂定制,与新出厂的RKV用的是同一种。
声音有区别吗?
rogers910
发表于 2011-3-8 20:50:06
推KK其实不用牛刀,有台银魅已足够
rogers910
发表于 2011-3-8 20:56:24
原帖由 rogers910 于 2011-3-8 20:50 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
推KK其实不用牛刀,有台银魅已足够
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5508653675_ebed364311_b.jpg
rogers910
发表于 2011-3-8 20:59:04
原帖由 rogers910 于 2011-3-8 20:56 发表 http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/images/common/back.gif
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5508653675_ebed364311_b.jpg
这是超级bugatti推kk的图片,本周六会再上银魅推kk的图片
davidxtb
发表于 2011-3-8 22:50:50
这个月应该就可以拿到KK了,严重期待中
这次要是不升级KK,就把RKV升级了:lol:lol:lol